Pop-Eye popeye on a german blue ram

Normally you'll want to treat with maracyn AND maracyn 2. That will treat both gram positive and gram negative bacterial infections. Unless you have a tank you can put those Discus in (A cycled tank) then there isn't much you can do.

 

Yeah, with the Discus stress alone could kill them or cause them to get ill which can kill them.

From Wiki:

Gram-positive bacteria are those that are stained dark blue or violet by Gram staining. This is in contrast to Gram-negative bacteria, which cannot retain the crystal violet stain, instead taking up the counterstain (safranin or fuchsin) and appearing red or pink. Gram-positive organisms are able to retain the crystal violet stain because of the high amount of peptidoglycan in the cell wall. Gram-positive cell walls typically lack the outer membrane found in Gram-negative bacteria.

When treated as a clade, the term "Posibacteria" is sometimes used.

Gram-negative bacteria are those bacteria that do not retain crystal violet dye in the Gram staining protocol.[1] In a Gram stain test, a counterstain (commonly safranin) is added after the crystal violet, coloring all Gram-negative bacteria with a red or pink color. The test itself is useful in classifying two distinct types of bacteria based on the structural differences of their cell walls. On the other hand, Gram-positive bacteria will retain the crystal violet dye when washed in a decolorizing solution.

The pathogenic capability of Gram-negative bacteria is often associated with certain components of Gram-negative cell walls, in particular the lipopolysaccharide (also known as LPS or endotoxin) layer.[1] In humans, LPS triggers an innate immune response characterized by cytokine production and immune system activation. Inflammation is a common result of cytokine (from the Greek cyto, cell and kinesis, movement) production, which can also produce host toxicity.

When treated as a clade, the term "negibacteria" is sometimes used.

 

Alex, at this point I would leave the Discus where they are. Just keep an eye on their behavior. If they start swimming to the top and sinking down or laying on their sides then you should worry. They looked fine when I saw them yesterday. They have already been exposed to the bacteria in your tank so its not a bad idea to treat them with the other fish. Plus you just got them on Friday so another move may really stress them out. Especially moving them to a smaller tank.

 

Cool, a symptom showed up, the bad part is, Popeye is not a disease its a symptom of a more underlying kidney problem.

I just lost me female EB ram to it. But popeye is a gram negative issue.

here ya go
Treatment
The affected fish should be immediately taken out to be separately treated. It is difficult to specify a specific treatment unless the main cause is definitely known. Large daily water changes should help, if not Epsom salts has been used with good results to draw the fluid out. One tablespoon per 5 gallons of water for at least three days, longer if necessary. Epsom salts isn't really salt (sodium chloride) it is Magnesium Sulfate. If water quality is the problem, a 50 percent water change must be made as soon as possible.

yes Epsom salt, it will help, get the 10g cleared out and put it in there. It will die otherwise.

 

You ever had a fish with popeye live? I've never been able to save one... Lost one of my Africans to it and then lost a black molly before that.

 

Nope, I never had a fish with it, never had a fish with much out of my tanks really, just a guppy with dropsy once a year or so.

I just know if you catch it soon enough that epsom brings down the bloat, basically dehydrates the fish enough to get the fluid out and bacteria cant stand it.

 

yes its gram negative bacteria you need to combat.

 

I put a link up , not sure why it didnt show, didnt know website links wernt allowed, especially when you get info from a great site that isnt thrown together with images.

here I will PM you since something is broken here.

 

Ich is different, you can treat that with heat and salt and continue treatment for 2 weeks after the visual symptoms are gone, ich will be gone.

 

Be careful with that medication in that tank. Erythromycin can kill a lot of the beneficial bacteria in the tank. Having said that, I cant believe that fish is still alive.

 

Good to hear =3
Seems your lucky, most people haven't been able to save the fish from what I'm told?